How Women Rise with Sally Helgesen

Previously, we were joined by a world-renowned business educator and coach, Dr. Marshall Goldsmith. To keep the ball rolling, it is my utmost pleasure to welcome today’s guest, Sally Helgesen. Sally’s most recent book, How Women Rise, co-authored with legendary executive coach Marshall Goldsmith, examines the behaviors most likely to get in the way of successful women. It became the top-seller in its field within a week of publication, and rights have been sold in 15 languages.

Previous books include The Female Advantage: Women’s Ways of Leadership, hailed as the classic in its field and continuously in print since 1990, and The Female Vision: Women’s Real Power at Work, which explores how women’s strategic insights can strengthen their careers. The Web of Inclusion: A New Architecture for Building Great Organizations was cited in The Wall Street Journal as one of the best books on leadership of all time and is credited with bringing the language of inclusion into business.

Sally Helgesen has been cited in Forbes as the world’s premier expert on women’s leadership, is an internationally best-selling author, speaker, and leadership coach. She has been ranked number 6 among the world’s top 30 leadership thinkers by Global Gurus, honored by the coaching consortium MEECO for her transformational influence on organizational cultures, and chosen as the Thinkers 50/Marshall Goldsmith world’s top coach for women leaders.

Listen as we discuss the difference between the work experience of men and women. More importantly, we dived deep into Sally’s book and discussed some of the 12 habits that hold women back from their next-level promotion. As a dad of three girls, this episode is very special to me. I definitely learned something, so I hope you tune in and enjoy this episode as much as I do.

Episode Highlights:

● Sally’s Career Path [2:10]

How Women Rise Book[05:30]

● ‘You’ on Autopilot [08:18]

● Motivation: Men vs. Women [10:30]

● HABIT #1: Reluctance to claim your achievements [14:15]

● HABIT #3: Overvaluing Expertise[20:30]

● HABIT #9: Too Much [25:50]

● HABIT # 12: Letting your radar distract you [33:09]

● Book Recommendations and More [36:58]

Resources Mentioned In This Episode:

● I believe anyone can be a leader in today’s world; that’s why I’ve created a short, user-friendly book called Redefining the Top 1 Percent. Get your FREE copy by joining our Facebook Group here. Not only are you getting a free copy of my book, but you’ll also get lots of FREE training and resources on a weekly basis.

● Get to know more about Sally and her works by visiting her website at

● Sally wrote a total of seven books. Grab your copy of Sally’s books here.

● Aside from Sally’s books, one that is greatly mentioned in this episode is Marshall Goldsmith’s book, What Got You Here Won’t Get You There. Grab your copy of the bookhere.

● In Case You Missed It: I sat down with Marshall Goldsmith, Sally’s co-author in How Women Rise, in a previous episode. Check it out here.

● Connect with Sally by sending her an email or through the following:

o Twitter

o LinkedIn

o YouTube

● Book Recommendations:

o Leading Change by John Kotter

o Post-Capitalist Society by Peter Drucker

o My Life in Leadership by Frances Hesselbein


“Our habits are the result of our experience. This is why they can be often different for men and women because men and women tend to have somewhat different experiences in the workplace. This becomes more true as they move to a higher level.”

“In my 30 years of working with women, I find them tending to put value on intrinsic satisfaction in their job and less on extrinsic satisfaction.”

“They [women] will be less oriented to stick with a job that has very high position and high financial reward if they feel that the intrinsic factors are not there.”

“Millenials understand that work is much more consuming and demanding than it used to be.”

“Give people a moment to get used to you, and don’t always try to swoop in.”

“Every single great career is built on three legs: expertise, visibility, and connection.”

“In the US, women use an average of 20,000 words a day and men use an average of 7 words a day.”